Feedback of MACP Joint Committee meeting held on 27.7.2012


Feedback of MACP Joint Committee meeting held on 27.7.2012 - NFIR

Meeting of the Joint Committee on MACPs Anomalies

As decided in the National Anomaly Committee Meeting held on 17/07/2012, the DOPT held separate meeting with the Leaders of Staff Side at North Block, New Delhi, Room No. 190 on 27/07/2012. Shri.M.Raghavaiah, General Secretary, NFIR has participated in the meeting.

Discussions were held on following issues:-

1. Grant of MACP in the promotional hierarchy :-
The staff side insisted that option be given to individual employees in this regard to facilitate  him/her to opt for availing benefit of financial upgradation.
After discussion it was agreed to examine in depth for finding solution.

2. Date of effect of MACP Scheme :
The desirability of giving effect to the MACP Scheme w.e. f. 01.01.2006 will be examined.

3. Counting of total temporary status Casual Labour Service reckoning 10/20/30 years under MACP Scheme:
Official Side stated that this will be processed separately.

4. Treatment of employees selected under LDCE/GDCE Scheme:
In the light of the instructions issued when the ACP Scheme was introduced. The same policy be adopted and accordingly orders will be issued. In other words, those inducted through LDCE/GDCE Scheme, such induction may be counted as appointment and will be reckoned as promotion.

5. Problems faced in the identical Grade Pay:
It was agreed to issue instructions for granting additional increment for fixation of Pay in case of promotion to the same Grade Pay. Instructions in this regard will be issued to Ministry of Railways etc .

6. Financial Upgradation Under MACPs, in the case of staff who joined another unit/organisation on request:
The Staff Side has pointed out that OM dated 01/11/2010 should be suitably Amended covering the staff who were transferred on request on reversion to the Unit/Organisation so that the total service rendered in the previous Unit/Organisation may be counted for MACPs. It  was agreed to be considered.

7. Extension of benefit of MACPS to an employee appointed in Grade where direct  recruitment element is there while ignoring service and promotion rendered prior to his appointment in that post:
Official Side reiterated that suitable clarification No. 5 of OM dated 09/09/2012 was already issued.

8. Stepping up of Pay of Senior incumbents at par with Junior incumbents as a consequence of  ACP/MACPs :
Staff Side has explained the case of gross injustice done, more particularly in the Accounts Department of India” Railways wherein the incumbents who cleared the Appendix examination are drawing less pay than those who could not qualify the said examination and got the benefit of MACPs. The staff side insisted that this situation is leading to de-motivation among qualified staff and urged for rectifying the anomalies. It was agreed to consider and Ministry of Railways advised to send the proposal

9. Employees who got one promotion prior to 01/09/2008 and completed over two decades of service without benefit of promotion and are denied third ACP under MACPs:
After discussion, official side agreed that is a peculiar situation and assured to take action to rectify the situation. The staff side has insisted that in such cases third ACP should be straight away given to staff from the date subsequent to the date of completion of two decades of service after promotion. Official side appreciated the logic and reasonableness and agreed to considered.
Official Side apPft’Cialcd the logic and reawnablencss and agreed to consider.

10. Modification of recruitment rules particularly in Railways and upgradation granted by abolition of Pay Scale-Implementation of MACPs :
The Staff Side explained that in the Railways the lower Pay Scales were abolished and posts were upgraded to the higher Pay Scales with revision of recruitment qualification and designation. In such cases the staff side insisted that entry Grade Pay as a result of upgradation subsequent to abolition of lower Pay Scales should be taken into consideration for reckoning 10/20/30 years of service for granting MACP.

Official side has agreed to obtain detials from Ministry of Railways for issuing appropriate clarification. In the meanwhile, Railway Board will have discussion with the Staff Side separately so that appropritate proposal could be sent to the DoP&T.

11. Placement of staff as a result of upgradation of posts :
The Staff side (NFIR) insisted that such placements should not be considered as promotion for the purpose of grant of financial upgradation under MACP Scheme. 
Official side stated that this will be examined.

12. In the course of discussion the Official Side also stated that MACP Scheme should be a fall-back option and the Ministries should conduct Cadre Restructuring for ensuring that the staff could be promoted within the reasonable time i.e. within 10 years. When the Staff Side pointed out that the Ministry of Railways is citing the instructions of Ministry of Finance issued some years back that only one third of the Cadre could be disturbed, for revising the percentages, the Official Side clarified that necessary clarificatory instructions will be issued to the Ministry of Railways etc., so that the Cadre Restructuring can be done without problems.

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Comments

siloverlininghope said…
so sad, not a single word for LDC/UDc!!!!The country has no heart for the suffering people only heading for profit of the higher echelons!
Anonymous said…
Grant of MACP in the promotional hierarchy - After discussion it was agreed to examine in depth for finding solution. Why still seeking the solution? Is not Acceptance is the right solution? The Government should have examined in depth and granted the promotional hierarchy.
ARUP said…
WE SHOULD NOT EXPECT MUCH MORE FROM THESE ANOMALY COMM.THIESE ARE SPECIALLY GUIDED BY POWER, NOT BY JUSTICE. EITHER OFFICERS (GR-A) OR THE INDUSTRIAL WORKERS ARE WORKING IN INDIA. WE DO NOT WORK(GR-B, CLERKS) AT ALL. SO WER HAVE NO RIGHT TO GET ANY ADVANTAGE LIKE OTHERS. AFTER PAY COMM. (6TH), NO PAYMENT AS SUCH HAS BEEN DONE ONLY FOR US. WE GOT ANYTHING ALONG OTHERS, NOT SINGLY. THIS IS THE FAILURE OF TOTAL SYSTEM. PAYMENT IN TOTAL SHOULD BE AT PER WITH RANK- HIGHER RANK SHOULD GET HIGHER PAYMENT, LOWER RANK SHOULD GET LOWER.OTHERWISE PROBLEM WILLARISE. WHAT ELSE WHEN SOMEONE(JWM) PASSING UPSC NAMED JWM GOT MUCH LESS PAYMENT THAN HIS/HER 3-4 STEP DOWN SUBORDINATE? HE SHOULD BE MAD.IT IS THE CASE IN OFB. BESIDES, NOT ALL THE SAME CATEGORIED CADRES PLACED IN DIFFERENT SECTORS TREATED NOT IN A SAME WAY IN PAY COMM. SCHOOL, HOSPITAL ARE AMONG GAINERS. RAILWAYS, OFB ARE LOOSER. EVEN A PETTY CADRE IN HOSPITAL OR SCHOOL GETTING MUCH HIGHER PAYMENT THAN AWM (GR-A), JWM, C(GR-B), M(GR-B. IT LOOKS ODD. PLS STOP POLITICS AND ONE-EYEDNESS. TREAT IN JUSTICE. I REQUEST TO ALL BIG HEADS.

ARUP DAS/JT. SEC/AIANGO/MSF BRANCH/OFB/MIN. OF DEF.
Anonymous said…
why Government is taking so much time in granting MACP on promotional hierarchy. It should be given on priority basis as it was given in erstwhile ACP scheme. So there is no need to go in depth. The aim of the Government should be to give benefit employees. In erstwhile ACP 2 promotional hierarchy scale and now in MACP it should be 3 promotional hierarchy.
MKS said…
IN INDIAN AIR FORCE CADRE REVIEW OF UNIT CONTROLLED CLERICAL STAFF NOT REVIEWED SINCE THE INDUCTION OF THESE TRADES LIKE , LDC, UDC , ASST AND OS , CGO . I WANT TO KNOW WHETHER CONFEDERATION IS AWARE FOR IT,
Anonymous said…
Like I said earlier, Anomaly Committee itself is Anomaly-ridden, as it lacks the will to solve the anomalies even after 6/7 years of 6 PCR.We should not expect more from the A-class officers, as they simply go on their method of `Tricology' gong more deep and deep; when going so deep, how much time would they take to come up , with a solution. I think Clerical cadre should be merged with the respective field officers of the central govt. departments. Still divide and rule policy is working and making the two field/executive and ministerial fight with each other. Atleast a blind will see that if a senior employee is getting less pay than his junior 5/6 years, ... then there is no better example of Injustice and Anomaly. But out Anomaly Committee is not able to see..... Now there is no way but to prey the World Anomaly Committee .. almightly God... let us prey...
ARUN P A said…
MACP anomoalies- decision again postponed for studying in depth- MACP in promotional hierarchy is the only solution for solving the problems of senior LDCs and UDCS who are stagnated. Or senior UDCs who have completed 24 years services after 01-9-2008 may be given option to accept ACP/MACP so as to protect the interest of Senior stagnated UDCS. In many cases Salary already drawn before implementation of MACP was reduced.
Anonymous said…
Still required time to study in depth. This is only because it involves clerical cadres and in the eyes of high rank officers this particular cadre are slaves and not more than that and does not deserves justice. What injustice have been done to this cadre through 6th cpc & Macp scheme even a layman can understand and can find absolute solution. But ironically decision making authorities requires indefinite time to find a solution. Had similar anomaly happens in any grade of gr A, it would have been decided in their favour in the 1st NAC meeting. Perhaps this is deliberate steps to ignore the demands so that injustice given traditionally remains entact.
Anonymous said…
One cannot be proud of his/her country any more untill and unless MACP on promotional hierarchy is granted by the Government.
vasudev said…
For the employees who joined in the grade pay of Rs.4200 gets 1st MACP in the grade pay Rs.4600=00, 2nd MACP in the grade pay of Rs.4800=00 and 3rd MACP in the grade pay of Rs.5400=00.
If we compare with the employees of direct recruits in the grade pay of Rs.5400 they get jump to Rs.6600, Rs.7600 and Rs.8700 in 1st, 2nd and 3rd ACP.
do something for this?
Anonymous said…
Even as discussed earlier by various circle/com,1st 2 ACP's should be be based on promotional hierarchy and last one on grade pay,how many more anonomily com needed?
Anonymous said…
There is no discussion about the LDC/UDC issue. Organization is also become like goverment.
Anonymous said…
Every after 4 years of implementation of 6PC and setting of National anomoly committee, the issue of granting MACP on promotional hierarchy is not yet decided. Following questions are still to be answered:
1.How much time is required for the Official side in NAC to decide the issue? (next 6 months or one year or 2 years)
2.When will be the next National anomoly committee meeting held?
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Anonymous said…
Anomaly between the pay of direct recruits and promotees is the biggest Anomaly of 6th CPC but no one is bother to solve that. Let us pray to God for considering the same sympathetically.
Unknown said…
Official side/JCM is not really realising the facts of losers of LDC/UDCs who are being the great losers with the implementation of MACPS. Let all the LDCs/UDCs wake up and must strive for a struggle.
S KUMAR said…
This is a very clear example of delaying tactics and high handedness of bureaucrats. They understand the issue very well and killing the time till next pay commission. They know very well that if they give clear decision "NO" the staff will approach court against the injustice done. IT IS ILLEGAL AGAINST NATURAL LAW TO DEPRIVE BENEFITS TO CERTAIN STAFF WHICH HAVE BEEN ALREADY AVAILED BY THE SOME. There are no complications in the issue and an officer having little common sense can give decision, no more in depth study is required. By delaying the decision the Govt side is doing a sin like “giving water to a dead person instead when he was alive”. It is known to everybody that the people at the bottom of pyramid is bearing all the burden and struggle to keep shape of pyramid and people sitting at the top are enjoying. The people at the bottom of pyramid are cleaning the dirty laundry of people at top. LET US PRAY TO ALMIGHTY TO OPEN THEIR EYES AND HAVE GOOD SENSE.
Anonymous said…
The Graduate Employee should get Higher Grade pay then the low Qualified Employee of same Category ..
Kumar said…
Hello Sir,

One more discussion is over and not a single word regarding the upgradation of grade pay of UDCs. Federation requires UDCs for strike purpose only ?????
Anonymous said…
die anomaly committee die !!
sincerely
UDCs and LDCs
Sub: Appeal for grant of Grade Pay Rs. 4200/- on award of financial upgradation under MACPS to UDCs in place of Grade Pay Rs.2800/-.

Respected Sir,

I would like to bring following few lines to your kind notice for sympathetic consideration :

1.I was appointed as Watchman in the scale of pay of Rs.196-232 on 23.6.1983.

2.Subsequently, through Departmental examination I was promoted to the post of LDC w.e.f. 08.02.1991 in the scale of pay of Rs.950-1500.


3.Further, I was promoted to the post of UDC w.e.f. 01.12.1995 through Departmental examination in the scale pay of Rs.1200-2040 which was revised to Rs.4000-100-6000 on implementation of 5th CPC recommendations. On implementation of 6th CPC recommendations my pay was fixed in the Pay Band (PB-1) Rs.5200-20,200 with Grade Pay Rs.2400/- w.e.f. 01.01.2006.

4.After implementation of 6th CPC recommendations in terms of DoPT OM No.35034/3/2008-Estt(D) dated 19.5.2009 I have been awarded with Last financial upgradation under MACPS w.e.f. 01.9.2008 in the Grade Pay Rs.2800.


5.In this connection, I would like to bring to your kind notice that UDCs who have been awarded financial upgradation under ACPS on implementation of 6th CPC recommendations their pay have been fixed in the Pay Band (PB-2) Rs.9300-34,800 with Grade Pay of Rs.4200/- w.e.f. 01.01.2006 whereas for those UDCs who have been upgraded under MACPS, they have been placed in the Grade Pay of rs.2800/-.

6. As the UDCs who have awarded financial upgradation under ACPS and MACPS are shouldering the same responsibilities, it is felt that the UDCs who have awarded financial upgradetion under MACPS they should also been given Grade Pay Rs. 4200/- at with UDCs who have been granted financial upgradation under ACPS.

7. It is a big point to be noted that the UDCs who served for 12 years have got Pay band of Rs. 4200/- under ACP after the implementation of 6th CPC recommendations w.e.f 01.01.2006 upto 31.08.2008, whereas I have completed more than 12 years 9 months. of service at the same post (UDC) and unfortunately I have got the Pay band of Rs 2800/-.I don’t understand the logic and the so-called calculation which is haunting me all the time .

8.I, therefore earnestly pray to you to kindly consider my appeal sympathetically and take up the matter suitably with the competent authority so that UDCs like me are granted Grade Pay Rs.4200/- on award of financial upgradation under MACPS instead of Rs.2800/-.
Anonymous said…
After completion of several sittings it is pity to note that no concrete solution had been worked out in the case of MACP. Top level bureaucrats as well as employees representatives are least bothered in this serious anomaly haunting senior UDC's, who has served 25/26 years for the nation with dedication and hard work.I hope the problem may be solved before constituting next pay commission.These committee members ,at least,try to understand what is hierarchy, promotional hierarchy and grade pay hierarchy and how it is affecting low paid employees.Please remember delayed justice is denied justice.
MACPVictim said…
Let the Government answer by 'Yes' or 'No' wheather she is willing to grant MACP on promotional hierarchy. Please, do not demoralise employees' career any more. Clear cut answer is demanded.
Anonymous said…
why the decision on stepping up of senior incumbets at par with junior due to MACP issue is pending what else the government wanted?
ajith raj said…
Respected DOPT authorities-Due to implementation of MACP from 01-9-2008 UDCS who had completed 24 years before 01-9-2008 got grade pay of Rs.4200/- in the pay band of 9300-54800 and UDCS who had completed 24 years of service after 01-09-2008 got only 2800/-grade pay in the pay band of 5200-20200- what an injustice- employees working in the same cadre with same responsibility are giving two grade pays- Due cadre restructuring LDCS recently joined get 2400/- grade pay . But stagnated UDCs having more than 24 years of service get only 2800/-grade pay- DOPT MAY PLEASE RECTIFY THESE ANOMALIES BY GIVING ATLEST TWO UPGRADATIONS IN PROMOTIONAL HIERARCHY AFTER 10/20 YEARS OR ALLOW TO OPT EMPLOYEES MACP OR ACP WHICH EVER TO BETTER.
SHYAM SINGH HEIKRUJAM said…
MACP MAY BE ALLOWED BY GRANTING TWO UPGRADATIONS IN THE PROMOTIONAL HIERCHY AFTER COMPLETION OF 10/20/30 YEARS OF CONTINUOUS SERVICE IF THE GOVT DESIRES TO PROTECT THE INTEREST OF THE EMPLOYEES WHO ARE DEPRIVED OF PROMOTIONS FOR LONG LONG PERIOD. FURTHERM MACP IS NOT AN ALLOWANCE AND IT IS A PART OF PAY. SO, IT SHOULD BE EFFECTED FROM 01.01.2006.
Anonymous said…
When will the proposed meeting for consideration of demand for grant of 5400 to AAOs of CAG and other accounts cadres be held.
Dear Sir,
Thanks a lot for your sincere attempts to get justice for ministerial staff. One LDC (whether it is CSS cadre or other Central Govt.Dept)gets his birth from Staff Selection Commission. That means all LDC/UDC are staying in one family. Then defenitely their parents will be DOPT and SSC. If it is correct, why they treat the LDC/UDC etc. of CSS/CSSS and other Central Govt. Department in two ways? Let us also get the same consideration. They granted grade pay of Rs.2800/- for LDC and Rs.4200/- for UDC of CSS. When we all are coming from the same examination, why the partiality to one cadre alone?
One LDC (whether it is CSS cadre or other Central Govt.Dept)gets his birth from Staff Selection Commission. That means all LDC/UDC are staying in one family. Then defenitely their parents will be DOPT and SSC. If it is correct, why they treat the LDC/UDC etc. of CSS/CSSS and other Central Govt. Department in two ways? Let us also get the same consideration. They granted grade pay of Rs.2800/- for LDC and Rs.4200/- for UDC of CSS. When we all are coming from the same examination, why the partiality to one cadre alone?
Anonymous said…
No one in the country is bothered either senior bureaucrats or representatives about the pity situation of promotion less low paid LDC/UDC'S for whom educational qualification is not much lower than several of these secretaries, the only difference is passing of career examinations. These LDC/UDC's are the building stones of MOTHER INDIA. Turning a deaf ear to the problems of this downtrodden class and enjoying maximum benefits from the Govt. is not a glorious thing as per our tradition , which was built by Maharajah Sibi and others.May DOPT officers open their eyes...
Anonymous said…
aftercompleting 34 years of service
i was retired from service on 31.8.2007. But those who retired after sept 2008 got macp benefit got
higher pay and pension benifit. if the macp implemented on the date of6th cpc implemented I would have
the benefit of one promotional pay
and grade pay
SM Kushwaha said…
There is nothing in deciding the anomaly in respect of MACP scheme. Only granting the benefit of 10,20 and 30 years in place of 12, 24 years of old ACP Scheme of Vth CPC. We (the people of lower class) do not know why the Anomaly Cte/ Govt. is taking time in deciding this just and right demand which is created in VIth CPC. It should be implemented without loss of time.
SM Kushwaha
Unknown said…
Sharing the views expressed by Com C Sreekumar.
The case of JEs of CPWD is also worthy to mention here. When the ACP scheme was introduced, majority of the JEs of CPWD were to face financial loss from 5th year to 23rd years (i.e. the loss was due to the majority JEs were already placed in the time bound scale of Rs 5500- Rs 9000 scale were to be brought down to Rs 5000 to Rs 8000 scale to allow the introduction of ACP scheme). This was to pave way for the 2nd ACP scale of Rs 10,000-Rs 15,200 in the new scheme which was definitely beneficial for the stagnated people completing 24 years. The same lot of JEs/AEs (including the majority of JEs who had to face loss in the ACP introduction), those completing 24 years after 1-9-2008 are now after getting stagnated are going to face a projected financial loss of of Rs 25.00 loss on introduction of MACP scheme in an average span of remaining 14 ½ years compared to the people already got 2nd ACP prior to 1-09-2008.
Even though it is the accepted position of the Govt through the DOPT, the anomalous situation getting created in JEs cadre vide Item No.8 in the meetings of Joint Committee to examine the Anomalies pertaining to the Modified Assured Career Progression Scheme and agreed to address the cases where MACP is less advantageous than the ACP Scheme, the further delay in taking a decision at least to restore the seized existing privilege is definitely a denial of justice only. The Govt is also trying to create bad blood within the cadre between those who already got 2nd ACP prior to 1-9-2008 and due for the 3rd MACP scale with GP 7600 & the people denied with the 2nd ACP due to non-completion of 24years as on 31-08-2008
Moreover, the recently approved cadre review in CPWD (which is coming after 16 years after the last one) implementation, the stagnation level in JE cadre will not come down from the present 27+ years to below 24 years.
We still hope, with the efforts of dedicated and honest leaders like Com SK Vyas, Com Com KKN Kutty ,C Sreekumar etc and through the united struggle of the Central Govt Employees , the justice will prevail. - Babu OV
Anonymous said…
now despite several attempts and cry of central govt. staff other than CSS cadre nothing has been considered by Govt. 4600 G.P. not given to pre-revised 5500/-Scale. 5400 G.P. is not being granted to 4800G.P, holder. LDC , UDC and Assistant of CSS Cadre are being given undue advantage on the other hand their counterparts in other depatt. field offices are suffering. Now it is the time leave the issue and support Team anna who is going to contest next parliament election. The employee should meet team anna and find their support for removal of anomaly.
Anonymous said…
most of the staff who came on transfer at the request joined the new unit in the basic recruitment grade/scale of pay in which they are appointed. somilarly employees who have opted for reversion would also been reverted to the immediate lower grade/scale of pay. hence the scheme should be modified in such a way that each employee to be given three promotions from his appointment grade/scale of pay. the modification to para 24 should also include this apart from the services rendered in the previous organisation. this only would benefit all the employees who came on transfer/reversion.
Mahesh said…
All, my dear friends from Central Government , please do not expect anything more from DOPT and so called union leaders . Thank GOD , that what you have got in the form of 6th CPC implementation is at least more in proportion ,than what paid to Indian slaves by Britishers , if compared.
Unknown said…
LDC appointed before 1984 has got GP of Rs 4200 as IInd ACP. Afterwards appointed LDC has got GP of rs 2800/-.It is unjustice againt humanity and eauality.CSS cadre UDC with 5 years service got GP 4200 as NFSG, otherside field office LDC/UDC got only GP 2800/-.what a govt justice.24 years served LDC has not awarded with NFSG.Our associations should think on it if they have humanity.
Anonymous said…
Anil Pakhidde, Steno- Ord. Fy. Ambajhari, Nagpur
Steno in CSSS get NFSG after completing 4/5 years service. The same criteria should be followed in other departments immediately. Because STENO/PA line is very risky and having so much tension and are attached to Senior Officers.
Anonymous said…
In paramilitary forces like CISF also there is acute stagnation in the grade pay of Rs-4600.After completing 24 years of service direct Sub-Inspectors(Recruited in the year 1985 ,1986&1987 ) have been denied of next promotional hierarchy as given in 5th pay commission, where as it was given to 1984 batch.This is totally unjustified. It is high time to set right the anomaly---P.k
Anonymous said…
It is high time to set right the MACP anomily
Anonymous said…
When will the proposed meeting for consideration of demand for grant of 5400 to AAOs of CAG and other accounts cadres be held. All the accounts cadres employees are eagerly awaiting for hearing of this good news.We are expecting the outcome before the Independance Day.
Anonymous said…
Entry Pay should be given all employees who are appointed on direct recruitment or otherwise on promotion. All employees who are promoted or directly appointed are doing same work and they will get same benefit.
Anonymous said…
Considering the pros and cons the Govt should grant MACP in the promotional hierarchy. It's not a SIN. Not a SIN, my dears.
Anonymous said…
Anonymous

anomalies especially in the cadre of LDCs/UDCS. Due to MACP Stagnated UDCS who had completed 24 years after 1-9-2008 reduced their salary already drawn. Due to implementation of MACP a senior most stagnated UDC after 24 years may get only 2800/- grade pay -But in many departments LDC post upgraded and given 2400/- grade pay. They may get 2800/- grade pay after 10 years and 4200/- and 4600/- after 20-30 years. Hence interest of senior UDCs may be protected. At least protect the 2nACP and Salary already drawn after 01-9-2008- or give 4200/- grade pay to all senior UDCS who have completed 20 years of service as on 01-01-2006.
Anonymous said…
anomalies especially in the cadre of LDCs/UDCS. Due to MACP Stagnated UDCS who had completed 24 years after 1-9-2008 reduced their salary already drawn. Due to implementation of MACP a senior most stagnated UDC after 24 years may get only 2800/- grade pay -But in many departments LDC post upgraded and given 2400/- grade pay. They may get 2800/- grade pay after 10 years and 4200/- and 4600/- after 20-30 years. Hence interest of senior UDCs may be protected. At least protect the 2nACP and Salary already drawn after 01-9-2008- or give 4200/- grade pay to all senior UDCS who have completed 20 years of service as on 01-01-2006.
Anonymous said…
I understand that MACP is a relief for those who are not getting promotion to next cadre. But MACP with date 1.9.08 is curse on senior UDCs. If I get promotion to the next hierarchy, I will get a Pay under PB-2 with G.P.4200/- But MACP granted me a pay under PB-1 with G.P.2800/- after completion of 25 years. Even the newly promoted UDC are getting this PB with GP 2400/-, senior UDC with 3029 years service are getting same PB with a difference in G P Rs.400/-. Everybody turned a deaf year to our issue on introduction of MACP with a cut off date 1.9.08. We are suffering a lot. Those who joined even a day before are getting GP 4200/-. Committee may kindly look into the issue seriously and settle this anomaly. Neither getting promotions nor getting monitory benefits like others with same status, Committee can understand our feelings. Expecting a favourable decsion on 27.7.12.
Anonymous said…
Submission before DOPT and National anomaly committee members:-
I am also a victim of MACP anomaly. My grade pay of Rs4200/- granted under ACP Scheme after 0-9-2008 reduced to Rs.2800/- and salary reduced. In case ACP was continuing I may get a grade pay Rs.4200/- from 01-11-2008 onwards. Hence DOPT may allow such senior employees to OPT 2nd ACP OR MACP WHICH EVER IS BENEFICIAL AND ACP DUE BETWEEN 01-9-2008 TO 31-08-2010. Hence loss suffering by senior UDCs having stagnation may be avoided. please resolve the issue of stagnated employees.
Anonymous said…
Grant of MACP in the promotional hierarchy - why not a technical grade pay and clerical grade pay created by the DOPT. Clerical staff should get Clerical grade pay and technical staff get the technical grade pay. I think this is the best solution of grade pay hierarchy and may be acceptable to all employees. Presently in the grade pay system technical staff under MACPS will get pay of clerical staff after 10,20 and 30 years and clerical staff will get technical staff grade pay and this is absolutely wrong.
AJITH said…
Respected DOPT authorities- Senior UDCs are looses due to MACP in Grade pay hierarchy- SALARY ALREADY DRAWN REDUCED DUE TO MACP-ANOMALY MAY PLEASE BE RECTIFIED
D.SANKARANARAYANAN said…
As the Orders of MACP were issued on 19.5.2009 giving retrospective effect from 1.9.2008, those employees who have completed 24 years of service during that period i.e. from 1.9.2008 to 19.5.2009 have to come under MACP, and they are not able to get the benefit of ACP (Official hierarchy). If the date of MACP is amended with prospective effect i.e. from 19.5.2009, these employees deprived of the benefits will also be considered favourably. Hence the Staff Side and the Official Side are requested to consider this anomaly sympathetically and issue necessary Orders suitably to cover those employees who fall between 1.9.2008 and 19.5.2009.
D.SANKARANARAYANAN, CHENNAI.
Anonymous said…
After completion of several sitting during 2009-2012, it is pity to note that no concrete solution has been worked out in the case grant of promotional hierarchy grade pay in MACP and counting of total temporary status casual labor service reckoning 10/20/30 years under MACP scheme. NAC agreed to examine in depth for finding solution/ processed separately.
It still required time to study in depth by the official side. The aim of the government should be to give benefit employees. Now all three MACP should be of promotional hierarchy grade pay. After 3 rd. MACP, if anyone completes of 10 years stagnate in single grade pay they are entitled for one more grade pay.
Where post are isolated and required higher qualifications for that post, employees have not received a single promotion in their career. Please look into the matter for fast track discussion as employees are eagerly waiting.
P.kumar said…
P.Kumar
If employee unions are sincere in giving promotional hierarchy under MACP to lower rung employees Ie;Group-D,LDC/UDC and those stagnated in the Grade pay of Rs-4600 /4800 ,then they should resort to nation wide strike ,if the Govt. don't accede to the demand quickly.It is already too late.
S KUMAR said…
The JEs of MES (military engineer services) are also badly affected as brought by Mr Babu OV. As per MACP a JE on completion of 30 years of service will get GP of Rs 5400/- only whereas, as per old ACP the JEs who have completed 24 years as on 31 Aug 2008 are getting GP Rs 7600/- Both are having same duties and responsibilities. At present there are JEs still not got a single promotion after 29 years of service. What an injustice!!! Why there is no such anomaly is there in group A officers. Why there is no intermediate GP in their scales? The VI CPC totally biased. The present anomalies of GP have been deliberately created that is why this anomaly is still not being resolved. Staff side please put pressure on the Govt for promotional ACP. It will solve all present anomalies of MACP. Too much time time has already past on discussing this issue. Delay in justice is denial of justice.
Unknown said…
B.CHANDRASEKARAN, TIRUVALLUR
MACP orders were issued on 19.5.2009 giving retrospective effect from 1.9.2008. Had the orders been given effect from the date of issue i.e. from 19.5.2009, those who had completed 24 years of service between 1.9.2008 and 19.5.2009 would also had been benefited, by taking official hierarchy into account i.e.2nd Financial Up gradation under old ACP Scheme would would be given, and their new pay will be fixed in the corresponding pay scale with Grade pay of Rs.4200/- under new MACP Scheme. Therefore Staff side and Official side may please be consider this anomaly issue sympathetically and issue orders giving effect from the date of issue of MACP i.e. from 19.5.2009 so that those who fall between 1.9.2008 and 19.5.2009 will also be benefited.
August 13,2012 9.45 p.m
SM Kushwaha said…
The following is agreed by the official side:
" After prolonged discussions it was agreed by the Official Side to given option to the individual employees to choose either ACP Scheme or MACP Scheme, whichever is beneficial to them."
In this connection, it is very simple that MACP scheme should be replaced by ACP Scheme by giving three financial upgradation in 10,20 and 30 years in the "PROMOTIONAL HIERAARCHY".
Unknown said…
Please don't be very happy.Official side is not so kind to allow a ACP of three promotional hieraarchy gradepay in 10/20/30 years. Employees will get only two promotional hieraarcy gradepay in 12/24 years.It is also enough for so rich employees.
Anonymous said…
Two financial up gradation in 12,24 years under old ACP Scheme provided by 5 th CPC should be replaced by three financial up gradation in 10,20,30 years from the date of entry in "promotional hierarchy". Then only it will be beneficial to employees.Beating about the bush by DOPT is a curse to the promotion less govt. employees.
Anonymous said…
END DISCRIMINATION IN GOVT and PUBLIC SECTOR BEFORE YOU CAN END IT IN SOCIETY.

Even after 50 years of independence, the vestiges of British rule cannot be erased from the civilian bureaucracy. It is with great anguish we pour our feelings out, and hope that the highest level of the political leadership considers it sympathetically and avoid any inaction by vested bureacratic interests.

The non-class 1 i.e the Group B,C are an aggrieved lot.

The classification of the services under Gazetted-non-Gazetted , Group A, B and C has created a virtual Aparthied like situation wherein we come across cases of Group A officers having a disdainful and supercilious attitude towards their non UPSC, Non Class 1 subordinates bordering on hubris.This over time crates an ivory tower mentality.What is so sacrosanct about this classification that it is leads to vested interests protecting their turfs and how can you have social justice in society when the civil service itself has such an inegalitarian hierarchal structure that it it in danger of falling apart if any other formation based on social justice platform like Mayawati comes to power at the centre. Before we go public on this issue, I suggest that the Govt.
act on it and take some remedial measure before any social upheavel shakes up the very citadels of our bureaucracy.
This has assumed such an Institutionalized setup that it almost mirrors the varna system in Hinduism.
Everything is based strictly on hierarchy and not on value.The hiatus is too wide to bridge, given the sacrosanct nature of Group A.

How sacrosanct the Class 1 scales in the sixth Pay Commission are, can be gauged by the substantial jump in some allowances and perks in the Grade Pay of Rs 5400/ and PB-3 and the virtual red letter highlights in PB-3
as 'Group A induction'.


Lack of any lateral upward moves on the part of the lesser
mortals to move up the Varna system, which euphemistically is
referred to as Induction in group A, and which is tantamount to a lower varna person being baptised into a higher one, has created a deep resentment in many talented employees who by virtue of bad luck could not make through UPSC and had to opt for SSC instead.This system,like the caste system, is designed in such a way that it precludes any latent talent in the lower rungs.

Probably no other Instituition has this kind of divergence
wherein a certain class of people are condemneded to stagnation for the rest of their lives ,however talented they may be.

As a first step towards alleviating this historical wrongs,
the Govt can make towards abolishing this classification into A,B,C,D and gazetted.Also any graduate in Govt. service in whatever grade pay should be made to appear for an exam and given an opportunity to get the Grade pay of Rs 5400/ after he clears certains minimum criteria in a transparent manner.
It is never too late in History to correct a wrong.

Some of the privileges enjoyed by the higher echelons like
unquestioned study leave, can also be extended to all sections
as everyone can justify value addition after taking a
sabbatical off for education. I dont see any reasons why
a non -gazetted employee who has put in 20 years service
should be denied permission for a 2 year study leave, on loss of pay. Why cant you frame rules on this.

Secondly as the recommendations of the Chairman of the Commission do carry some weight, I suggest that keeping the egalitarian nature of our Constitution in mind kindly keep the ratio of the Highest vs the lowest pay at the ratio of the fourth pay Commission.

Thirdly , there should be scope for lateral or upwardly induction of exceptionally talented staff from non group A ,who by virtue of mischance might not have fared well in the UPSC civil services examination and who are condemned to stagnation for the rest of their lives.This will address to
a great extent the frustration and resentment in them.

Anonymous said…
The Government is demoralizing the employees by not granting MACP on promotional hierarchy. Even they have snatched the wages of Group C employees. Already promotional are not available in our department we were only depend on ACP which gives us promotional benefit but the same has changed by the Government after implementing MACP scheme. I do not know how the Government has thought about the down grade of the employees instead of benefit. I request to the Government to reconsider the decision and promotional hierarchy should be given in MACP scheme or otherwise option to choose either old ACP or MACP scheme to the individual employes whichever is beneficial for them should be granted. It will clear the all anomalies.
Anonymous said…
When will a meeting be held to accept Grant of MACP in the promotional hierarchy? Sooner the better.
Anonymous said…
Himachal Government has approved old ACP scheme to its employees. Now its Central Government turn to release such an order. The order of Himachal Government is as follows

No. Fin(PR)B(7)-59/2010
Government of Himachal Pradesh
Finance (Pay Revision) Department

From
Principal Secretary (Finance) to the
Government of Himachal Pradesh.

To
1. All the Administrative Secretaries to the Government of Himachal Pradesh.
2. All Heads of the Department in Himachal Pradesh.
3. All Divisional Commissioners in Himachal Pradesh.
4. All Deputy Commissioners in Himachal Pradesh.

Dated: Shimla-171 002, the 9th August, 2012.

Subject:- Introduction of new Assured Career Progression Scheme on completion of 4. 9 & 14 years of service in a cadre and restoration of old (8-16-24-32) Assured Career Progression Scheme for government employees.

Sir/Madam

I am directed to invite a reference to the subject cited above and to state that the matter regarding grant of Assured Career Progression Scheme on completion of 4, 9 and 14 years of service in a cadre has been engaging the attention of the State Government for some time past. The Governor, Himachal Pradesh, is pleased to introduce Assured Career Progression Schemes on completion of 4, 9 and 14 years of service in a cadre w.e.f 27.08.2009 (i.e. date before which earlier scheme was in operation) which shall apply to all categories of State Government employees governed by Himachal Pradesh Civil Services (Revised Pay) Rules, 2009. except in respect of the following cases/categories:-

(i) Such categories of government employees who have been allowed three or more grade structure of pay scales under the H.P. Civil Services (Revised Pay) Rules. 1998 and further corresponding conversion under H.P. Civil Services (Revised Pay) Rules, 2009.

(ii) Those categories of government employees for whom benefit of Career Progression is/was available under any other rules/instructions notified earlier.

(iii) Those categories of government employees, whose pay scales are governed by MHRD/UGC guidelines. All India Service Officers, Judicial Service Officers etc, having different pay structures.

2. This scheme is optional. An existing employee “including employee having less than four years service” will have the option, either to continue in the existing Assured Career Progression Scheme after a service of 8, 16, 24 & 32 years or to opt 4, 9 & 14 years Assured Career Progression Scheme. An employee who wants to opt this new scheme will have to exercise an option within two months from the date of issue of this letter along with an undertaking in the enclosed proforma through a sworn affidavit that he wants to accept this scheme effective from 27.08.2009 and will not claim any arrears. Consequently, on restoration of earlier Assured Career Progression Scheme (8-16-24-32), in new pay structure w.e.f. 27.08.2009 an employee may also exercise his option for the aforesaid scheme. However, an employee who does not exercise any option within the above stipulated period of two months shall be deemed to have opted for continuance in the earlier (8-16-24-32) Assured Career Progression Scheme with effect from 27.08.2009. Service in a cadre rendered by an employee in the same post before 27.08.2009 shall Count for the purpose of grant of benefit under this scheme.
Anonymous said…
Himachal Government has issued an order on August 9, 2012 in which it has granted option to choose either old ACP or MACP to individual employees whichever is beneficial to them. So what is the problem for Central Government employees in granting the option for choosing either old ACP or MACP. The Government should issue immediately an order in this regard.
Anonymous said…
As per INDWF General Secretary Shri.R.Srinivasan, Govt has agreed to give option to either choose between ACP and MACP.

Hope, DOPT brings out order for option to the individual employees to choose either ACP Scheme or MACP Scheme.

Otherwise, what is chance of winning petition filed for granting ACP instead of MACP against GOI in CAT citing given reasons.

1. After ten years of service, asked to accept MACP instead of ACP. Its cheating by GOI now.

2. No all india or local posting liability. So, no department with vacancies for promotion.

3. Never given choice to sit for any DPC, even though i holds bachelors degree qualification. Nowhere to prove myself.

4. Cadre declared dying. Higher
headquarters in many way disown us.

Please share inputs if anybody have filed petition for ACP.


Thanks.
Anonymous said…
Postal Inspectors are deprived of their genuine claim of GP of 4600 as given to their counterparts in other departments like IT, Central Excise, Asst. Grade in CSS. Every pay commission admited parity, but govt. by separate order had created imbalance. Even the Hon'ble CAT Ernakulam Bench order isn't implemented yet.
Anonymous said…
an employee joined as LDC in 1985 in the indian audit department and promoted as accountant on 1990 and after that he promoted to Sr.Accountant. He passed SOGE exam in the year 1998 and promoted as SO wef 2000 and now working as AAO with effect from 2004.
But his juniors who joined as clerk and later promoted AS SO/AAO after passing SOGE exam has been granted MACP with higher grade pay of rs. 5400/- leaving the senior staff on the GP of 4800/- . due to implementation of such scheme, the seniors have been victimized in the higher financial up gradation.the higher financial up gradation should not be based on the limit of promotion in his service.in this case whether senior employee is entitle to the higher grade pay under MACP, this may please be clarified.
Anonymous said…
Dear JCM Members as seen the news from G.Connect, Himachal Pradesh Government has offered a very good package for its employees. The MACP declared by the State Govt. is Optional and the employees were given Option to either Opt for Old ACP or MACP whichever is beneficial to them. I request you all to raise the same demand from Government for the benefit of several Central Government Employees who have been suffered with the implementation of MACP.
HIRA said…
Dear sir
I would like to draw the kind attention of all the members (both staff & official) regarding BLUNDER ANOMALIES discussed in earlier meeting point No 8 in which GP of hierarchy in MACP given which create jealous & hatred among staff of same post with difference of joining period of two/ three months or even a single day ( before or after 31-8-84) particularly the JE`s of CPWD,DDA,MCD,DUSIB& other Govt Deptt. generally they did not got promotions even after 25 years of successful service. Those JE`s join BEFORE 31-8-84 will get the GP of 6600 in II ACP& 7600 in III MACP and Those JE`s join AFTER 31-8-84 will get the GP of 4800 in II M ACP& 5400 in III MACP. The difference of salary will be more than Rs 6000 at present which may increases up to Rs35000 and total difference will be Rs 39,00,000/-though they performs the same duties which is against the Govt own policy SAME POST SAME WORK SAME SALARY.ACP>MACP
It is requested & suggested that in MACP Of 10-20-30 should be amended to 12-24-30 with same PB&GP as promotional for 12-24 and for 3rd MACP. after 30 years may be next GP of hierarchy for all, does not violate the rule same post same work same salary as against 10-20-30. It is prayed/appealed/ humble requested to look into genuine anomaly and do the justice. And same should be added in the agenda for next NAC meeting .
THANKS

FROM
HIRA NAND
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Anonymous said…
yes i agree with the proposal of Shri Sunil Sharma, if Govt. is thinking for financial updradation of the employee, then it should be counted to 10 years not to based on the past service career.
Unknown said…
RESPECTED COMRADES, LET THE MACPS FOR CENTRAL GOVT. EMPLOYEES BE TAKEN AS PER THE SPIRIT BEHIND IT. IT SAYS,"FINANCIAL UP-GRADATION WILL BE ADMISSIBLE WHENEVER A PERSON HAS SPENT 10 YEARS CONTINUOUSLY IN THE SAME GRADE PAY. IT IS NOT UNDERSTANDABLE THAT WHY THE GOVERNMENT HAS IMPLEMENT IT WEF THE DIRECT ENTRY GRADE AND HENCE HAS MANY SERVICE MATTER PROBLEMS. THE SERVICE CONDITIONS OF OLD TIMES MAY NOT BE COMPARED AND SOLVED WITH THE IMPLEMENTATION OF NEW MACPS. HENCE, IT IS THE NEED OF THE HOUR TO URGE THE GOVT. TO ARRANGE TO AMEND AND IMPLEMENT AS PER THE SPIRIT BEHIND THIS SCHEME WEF JAN-2006 ONWARDS. THERE WILL BE NO SERVICE MATTER PROBLEMS WHEN THE EXISTING ALL EMPLOYEES WHO FAIL TO GET ANY PROMOTION OR UP-GRADATION UPTO 10 YEARS OF CONTINUOUS SERVICE, MAY GET THE NEXT GRADE PAY AS AND WHEN DUE. I THINK THIS IS THE REAL SPIRIT OF MACPS. KINDLY THINK AND DECIDE....
Kumar said…
The lower rung Govt. employees can expect promotional grade pay only if the union leaders are determined for that.They have to convince the Govt.and get the option granted at the earliest.We were supporting all the struggles of the trade unions till now and were donating to their kitty.Now it is their turn to show solidarity to our cause.So the MACP issue may be settled with in a month by permitting to choose either ACP or MACP
Anonymous said…
When is the next meeeting of Joint Committee is due.
Chetri said…
Guys please dont forget MACP is a black mark for any employee because every employee deserves a promotion before the completion of 10 years service in same post. So in my opinion MACP is a sort of black label which denotes that he/she has not got promotion for 10 years.
Anonymous said…
If a person has got three promotions till 2002 and still has 17 years of service, will he be considered for financial upgradation. 11 years have already passed since the previous promotion.
Anonymous said…
WHY DON'T WE PEOPLE APPROACH THE HON' CAT INSTEAD OF WAITING FOR THE ANOMALY COMMITTEE TO GIVE ITS VERDICT (WHICH IT IS NOT INTERESTED TO GIVE)
Anonymous said…
In the O/o the C&AG an official A, LDC by virtue of SOG Exam becomes a AAO directly from LDC in Nov., 2005. However, his senior in the LDC post (lower post) official B who became Accountant in 2004 and subsequently cleared SOG exam and becomes AAO in Aug., 2006, thus becomes Junior in the higher post. By virtue of C&AG orders on pay fixation for AAOs promoted between 01/01/2006 and 29/08/2008 the pay of Official B is fixed at 13950 in Aug., 2006 whereas the pay of official A is fixed at 6500 (minimum) on 01/01/2006 and consequently draws only 12600 on 1/08/2006. Here is a classic case where the stepping up conditions cannot be applied in toto because of the SOG Examination the lower post scales cannot be identical. Further the official A though Junior in lower post has become senior in the Higher post and the pay is fixed due to C&AG's order. Does the Senior official A in the higher post entail stepping up ? I would appreciate if any one can throw light on the sanctity of the condition b of GOI 18 and para 2 (b) of GOI 23 under FR 22. Kindly don't just apply the order in verbatim and explain in the current context please..

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