RTI REPLY BY DOPT ON GP OF LDCs/UDCs
RTI REPLY BY DOPT ON GP OF LDCs/UDCs
No. 20/57/2010-CSII(A)
Government of India
Ministry of Personal & Public Grievances Pensions
Department of Personal & Training
CSII (B) Section
Government of India
Ministry of Personal & Public Grievances Pensions
Department of Personal & Training
CSII (B) Section
Lok Nayak Bhawan,
New Delhi, dated 31 January 2011.
New Delhi, dated 31 January 2011.
To
Shri Pinaki Acharya, UDC
NSSO, SDRD,
Mahalonobis Bhawan,
164,GLT Road,
Kolkata-700108
Sub: Information sought under Right to Information Act, 2005.
Please refer to your RTI application dated 3/1/2011 (received in this Division on 21/1/2011 through Ministry of Statistics & Programme Implementation vide their letter No. 34019/1/2010-RTI dated 11.1.2011). Point wise information is furnished as under:
2. With regard to point (A), it is informed that this Department has not received any memorandum/request from any Central Government Employees Associations/ Department for merger of the post of LDC & UDC. However this Department has received representations from Associations for up gradation of the grade pay of LDCs & UDCs of CSCS cadre. The issue regarding up gradation of the grade pay of LDCs & UDCs is being examined by the Anomaly Committee of the DOP&T. Further, a proposal to allow grade pay of Rs. 4200/ in Pay Band 2 to UDCs of CSCS and Stempgraphers Grade 'D' of CSSS who have completed 4/5 years of approved service in the grade, w.e.f. 1/1/2006 is under examination of this Department in consultation with the Ministry of Finance.
3. With regard to point B, a copy of your RTI application is being forwarded to concerned CPIO i.e. Under Secretary, Estt. (D), DOP&T, North Block, New Delhi as the subject matter related to implementation of MACP Scheme pertain to them.
4. Appeal, if any, may be made to Sh. Rajiv Manjhi, DS(CSII), 1st appellate Authority, CS-II Division, DOP&T, 3rd Floor, Lok Nayak Bhawan, Khan Market, New Delhi within 30 days from the receipt of this letter.
Shri Pinaki Acharya, UDC
NSSO, SDRD,
Mahalonobis Bhawan,
164,GLT Road,
Kolkata-700108
Sub: Information sought under Right to Information Act, 2005.
Please refer to your RTI application dated 3/1/2011 (received in this Division on 21/1/2011 through Ministry of Statistics & Programme Implementation vide their letter No. 34019/1/2010-RTI dated 11.1.2011). Point wise information is furnished as under:
2. With regard to point (A), it is informed that this Department has not received any memorandum/request from any Central Government Employees Associations/ Department for merger of the post of LDC & UDC. However this Department has received representations from Associations for up gradation of the grade pay of LDCs & UDCs of CSCS cadre. The issue regarding up gradation of the grade pay of LDCs & UDCs is being examined by the Anomaly Committee of the DOP&T. Further, a proposal to allow grade pay of Rs. 4200/ in Pay Band 2 to UDCs of CSCS and Stempgraphers Grade 'D' of CSSS who have completed 4/5 years of approved service in the grade, w.e.f. 1/1/2006 is under examination of this Department in consultation with the Ministry of Finance.
3. With regard to point B, a copy of your RTI application is being forwarded to concerned CPIO i.e. Under Secretary, Estt. (D), DOP&T, North Block, New Delhi as the subject matter related to implementation of MACP Scheme pertain to them.
4. Appeal, if any, may be made to Sh. Rajiv Manjhi, DS(CSII), 1st appellate Authority, CS-II Division, DOP&T, 3rd Floor, Lok Nayak Bhawan, Khan Market, New Delhi within 30 days from the receipt of this letter.
Yours faithfully
(J. MINZ)
Under Secretary/CPIO
(J. MINZ)
Under Secretary/CPIO
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Comments
The para 2 of that reply said that the DOPT has not received any memorandum/request from any Central Government Employees Association/Department for merger of post of LDC/UDC.
If it is true, then all of our Associations must send a request to DOPT for merger of post of LDC/UDC. It should be included in the agenda for the upcoming meeting of NAC and JCM for MACP anomalies. The merger of post of LDC/UDC should be stressed for the benefit of our comrades.
The reply also reads that “the DOPT has received representations from Associations for up gradation of the grade pay of LDCs & UDCs of CSCS cadre. The issue regarding up gradation of the grade pay of LDCs & UDCs is being examined by the Anomaly Committee of the DOP&T. Further, a proposal to allow grade pay of Rs. 4200/ in Pay Band 2 to UDCs of CSCS and Stempgraphers Grade 'D' of CSSS who have completed 4/5 years of approved service in the grade, w.e.f. 1/1/2006 is under examination of this Department in consultation with the Ministry of Finance”. Ii is requested
Our Confederations and Associations also make strong request for getting this up gradation must be extended for all LDCs and UDCs. Particularly, to the LDCs who were covered partly by old ACPS and partly by new MACPS. Because, for LDCs who got Ist up gradation under old ACPS, the sudden shift from old ACPS to new MACPS fetch a huge monetary loss.
Hence, this up gradation must be considered not only to the LDC & UDCs of CSCS cadre but also to the entire LDCs and UDCs of Central Government work force. Step motherly treatment between cadres must be stopped.
so, think over this and this matter is very serious
S.R.K
Now, stenographers in subordinate offices who have already facing stagnation of promotions, cannot get the relief from MACP scheme. In MACP they will get first promotional grade pay after completion of 20 yrs. of continuous service.
Please look into the seriousness of the matter. Unite for rights.
Hence, this up gradation must be considered not only to the LDC & UDCs of CSCS cadre but also to the entire LDCs and UDCs of Central Government work force. Step motherly treatment between cadres must be stopped
A peon who is working in in my office have educational qualification Class 5th Pass are getting salary 16,200/= per months. This is fact LDCs are getting less salary than peons if one takes into account the cycle allowance, washing allowance, yearly uniforms supplied and lesser responsibility. So Govt should take necessary action for merger of the post of LDC & UDC with new Grade Pay of Rs.4200/=
so please look into the matter and kindly request to merge the post of LDC & UDC with 4200/- grade pay.
This issue is started during the onset of 6th CPC, but till now no solution has been made. please kindly look into this matter early.
please do not make us equal to group D who were not passed any school classes
category's gp starts from 1900, so he/she will retire with grade pay of Rs.2,800/- maximum ie to get this Rs.900/- increase in gp he/she has to work for 30 years which means Rs. 30/- per year, which is highly pathetic. pl see this anomoly and redress the cerical category's grievance at the earliest.
shibu trivandrum
It is time to redefine the duties of Assistants and UDCs. Both should not have the same duties/responsibilities when there is a big difference in their grade pays.
LDC/UDC should be upgraded and granted grade pay for LDC 2400 and for UDC 2800 or according to 6 CPC - redesignated as office assistant and grant grade pay of Rs. 4200
so please look into the matter and kindly request to merge the post of LDC & UDC with 4200/- grade pay.
This issue is started during the onset of 6th CPC, but till now no solution has been made. please kindly look into this matter early.
please do not make us equal to group D who were not passed any school classes
Now I am thinking to quit my job. What do you say?
shashi, dhanbad
We strongly agree with all the comments posted earlier. LDCs/UDCs possessing Graduation/Post Graduation and technical certificate in Typewriting and Additional Knowledge in computers with good command over English and Hindi are now a days appointed in various departments/Offices. However, the grade pay in respect of these staff is almost equivalent to the erstwhile Group 'D'staff of with a meager difference of Rs 100/-. This meager difference will create a mental depression in the youngsters who are shouldering very high responsibilities with knowledge about service rules and updated information in service matters. It is high time that Government take an action to make a change in this issue, by granting a Grade pay of Rs 2400/-to LDCS and Rs 4200/- to UDCs. Otherwise Government will loose all able and efficient clerks who will look for a better pay.
LDC/UDC of subordinate cadre surffers from discrimination by DOPT who have turend blind towards the just cause :
Discrimination issues:
1.although recruited through same recruiting agence i.e SSC approved service for the purpose of grant of ACP to a LDC working in Hq offices is counted from July of the year of main examination irr3espctive of his date of joining whereas a LDC appointed in Subordinate office , the period of service of the purpose of ACP is counted from his date of actual joining which is to be addressed.
2) LDC/UDC are no better than erstwhile Group D employee whereas DOPT recently discriminately granted 4200 GP to UDCs for CSS cadre only . The Grade pay of Office Suptdt/Assistant /Sr UDC(granted ACP prior to 01.09.08) in suboridnate offices is 4200/ although the above posts are promotional grades.
It is seen as per present VI CPC structure LDC never get GP of 4600. Whereas a senior most UDC is getting 4600.
LDC should be given the grade pay of Rs.2400 and UDC Rs.4200. if govt seriously think of upgradation.
VI CPC Structure demoralise the Cadre of LDC/UDC.
It is time to get united all LDC/UDC.
We can only share our feelings but no fruitful, no body will give voice for us. It is painful to say that, Clerks are better placed in the British Rule but we have been ignored in this democratic country.
There is no difference in Qualification, Examination and mode of selection in the grade of LDC/UDC and LDC/UDC(CSCS)but there is difference in the Grade Pay and it is apparent that lot of discrimation and step-motherly attitude araised out of 6th CPC.
In my opinion it is better to merge the posts of LDC/UDC of all central government department and re designate them as office assistants. Then Granting a grade pay of 4200 to this re-designated posts. Then only the issues can be solved. Othereise the parity or unequality between group D staffs
and LDC/UDCs never come to an end.
Kindly request to look into the matter please.
I totally agree we all of you . I am also working as LDC and I am a graduate. Labours working in my office are getting more payment than LDC. Sometimes they say "Apko to hamara kaam karne ke liye hi raka gaya hai. Grade pay in r/o LDC and UDC should increase to 2400 and 2800 respectively.
NPS
Thank u
How long it will take to settlement of Gr. Pay Rs.2400 to Rs.4200/-as per RTI queries.
Indu, All India Radio
I am requesting among all the LDC and UDC staff to kindly think and discuss this issue.
If this is right there is no hope from the government of this type.
Govt should allow these employees to take bribe or commission to remove this disparity by themselves. Because Govt. is so nalayak that they cant understand this simple problem.
Stenographer'D'should get GP 4200 w.e.f. 1.1.2006. It will effect to work.
Because I am a Central Govt. Employee inUnder Labour Ministry and am Upgraded to UDC from LDC newly Recruted. I am holding MCA Degree and getting only the differece of Grade Pay. Neither the Basic has changed nor the Travelling Allowances which is same as the LDC i.e 400+DA.
Kindly also make me Clear that if there is Reserved Vaccant Post (SC/ST) in Assistant Post through any Govt Rules and as having my Post Graduation Degree can I get the benefit of my Degree because I am giving my MCA Knowledge to the Organization but in return getting so less Salary. As the fact is that we all giving service and 100% in return we deserve the good salary.
my emailid is raky2474@gmail.com
I am newly recruited in Central Govt under Labour Ministry as LDC and
now since the Post is Up gradated to UDC I am getting only the
Differece of 1900/- to 2400/- else all other Allowances i.e Basic, TA
is same as the LDC i.e Basic-5830/- and TA-400+DA as the Swamihand
book rules says the UDC will get the Basic-7410/- and TA-600/-.
Further, I am a Post Graduate (Master in Computer Application)
belonging to Scheduled Caste Category, and there is vaccant SC Post in
the Department in Assistant Post so can get the benefit to Promotion
to Assistant?
As we all give our Service and 100% efficiency to the Organization
and in return deserve the Handsome Salary but since I am a new to
Central Govt, so kindly guide me what the rules and regulations says.
Hoping for the early response Sir.
2610-3540, 2610-4000, 2650-4000 & 2750-4400 in respect of erstwhile Group ‘D’ employees have been merged and grade pay has been fixed at 40% of the maximum of the pre-revised pay scale (i.e., Rs. 4400 x 40% = Rs. 1760/- rounded off to Rs 1800/). Likewise, Pay scales of 5000-8000, 5500-9000 & 6500-10500/- in respect of JEs / Office Supd / D’Man / MCM etc., have been merged and grade pay has been fixed at 40% of the maximum of the
pre-revised pay scale (i.e., Rs. 10500/- x 40% = Rs. 4200/-). But Pay scale of 3050-4590, 4000-6000/- & 4500-7000/- in respect of LDC / UDC other equivalent post / category have not been merged and upgraded due to this Gde Pay has not been increased.
2. An LDC whose educational qualification for appointment is 10+2 plus knowledge of computer is getting Gde Pay of Rs 1900/- whereas a JE whose educational qualification is 10+3 (SSLC + 3 years Diploma) is getting Gde Pay of Rs 4200/- on entry grade. Hence a great disparity to the clerical cadre.
3. Moreover, the job profile of the post of LDC has undergone significant changes after introduction of modernization in Government offices. Now, computers have taken over the place of Manual/Electronic Typewriters. As a result LDC & UDC have been trained to work in various computer applications viz. MS Word, M.S., Excel & MS Power Point etc without granting the minimum pay scale prescribed for doing work in computers.
4. The differences of grade between erstwhile group 'D' employees and LDC is only 100/- and equal grade pay between Drivers and LDC's which is shameful to LDC's cadre
5. LDC's are working all Central Govt Department i do not understand why these Association are not taking action to merge LDC/UDC or upgrade LDC's Grade pay.
6. If Confederations / Associations do not take any action in the next National Anomaly Committee Meeting (NAC) then it is last option to go file case with Central Administrative Tribunal (CAT) by all LDC's.
CHANDRA SEKHAR H
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CHANDRA SEKHAR H,
LDC
MES, Ministry of Defence
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CHANDRA SEKHAR H
LDC,
MES
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CHANDRA SEKHAR H
LDC
MES, Ministry of Defence
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Manoj Kumar Pandey, Accountant, AIR.
It is very much un-tolerable situation with the LDC/UDC. Most of the bureaucrats are administrative personnel & giving decision on the matter in dopt or
finance ministry. They are well known with our problem. They are harassing our small kids & family. Present market scenerio said we must sit after office work in the road side to beg for some money. Because who have kept the files as per RTI's reply they should immediate take action and give their views and give the LDC/UDC actual grade pay what they deserve.
You see I am a qualification holder of M.A., M.B.A.& DCA holder with my working load in Accounts Dept. of all Establishment Seat work with Pay Bill, GPF, Pension, retirement/death case settlement, etc. etc. You imagine is it possible to work any UDC's single handed work, about 300 employees working in this organisation. Now a days every month one or two employees going retire from this organisation.
It is requested that please take immediate decision on LDC/UDC GP should be minimum of Rs.4200/- or more. Cent percentage of UDC/LDC's are Graduate & Master Degree, they should also be given equal weightage of
engineering graduates & other
graduates pay scale. If a graduate
engineer is working in Banking Sector or other General services than why the General Graduates can get with their equal pay scale & equal status of the work. Like- Engineer Grduates are paid higher pay scale with their educational qualification with their respective field of work, same the General Graduates are also same or more responsible they are taking in their respective field, so give equal justice of all and give equal pay scale to all graduates in any field.
Yes Frnds, I do agree with Mr. Jitendra.
I have Completed my Master in Computer Application and Nw working as Upgraded UDC we cant say this Post as even UDC bcoz lots of difference in Pay is there.
Anyway what I want to say that My others MCA Frnds are now earning Min of 30000/- P.M and I am only 15000/- in Central Govt.
LDC & UDC in any Central Govt Organization are highly qualified and back-bone also in this Computer Paper-less Organisation they are giving there cent percent and what Govt. is giving to them where everyday Prices is touching the Sky.
I just request to Authority to look after this issue and atlest go through these Comments !!
getting 1900 GP
read all posts and very much impressed that I was in deep sleep.
I think as per qualification salary must be changed.
getting 1900 GP
read all posts and very much impressed that I AM STILL IN DEEP BLUE SEA. I THINK THAT I SHOULD BURN ALL MY CERTIFICATE EXCEPT CLASS 10TH FOR LDC POST.
I think as per qualification and work pressure
salary must be changed.
(i) getting less than the entry pay
(ii) ashamed with their 7-8 year junior new entrants.
(iii)getting 4800 grade pay and whose under staff (Sr Auditors) are getting 5400 grade pay after getting MACPs.
(iv)travelling by train and staff by plane on ty duties.
(v)waiting for their MACPs for next Grade Pay and whose colleagues in CSS/Ministries are getting 5400 grade pay after competing 4 years service.
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Subodh kumar,Muzaffarpur
handle all the administrative odd works, even forcing them to stoop down to clean up the job which are not their normal duties, not to mention about working on Saturday, Sunday,but much more and never gives only Grade Pay almost equivalent of a Peon! When we agitate we are blamed as unfaithful
well i think today their is no real difference between sweeper and clerk and only by means of 100 Rs more,its demotivating
Qualifications and graduate certificates everything is gone for toss with this new development
and by the way what are these union leaders are trying to do,are they sleeping r looking for their own upgradation within unions and their career
let them get active and let justice be really done to the needy
Although the Govt. has reduced the number of years for MACP i,e from 12 years to 10 years, but is it beneficial for those LDCs who were given ACP in the older scale and were expecting scale of 5500-9000 (pre-revised) and 9300-34800 with grade pay Rs.4200/- in revised scal? No, they have to wait for 10 more years to get this scale after implementation of 3rd MACP, This has created great financial loss to many LDCs/UDCs. This anomaly must be included in the agenda of the anomaly committee meeting to be held on 17th July 2012.
most of you are comparing your present salary with the peons having 30+ years of service.
the peons means grp D staff are made grp c for the shake of classification where as there is no change in their work nature or status apeon starts and ends his life as peon so please dont compare your starting salary with the salary of peon who wasted all his service for the humiliation of his masters
so if you are not satisfied with your grade pay dont apply for the post of LDC
The Graduates who appointed in Central Govt Offices are getting Grade Pay Rs 5400/-. However LDC is not asking to increase Grade pay Rs 5400/- but they are requesting to increase grade pay Rs 2400/- with qualification of 10+2 with knowledge typing and computer. Yes, Nature of duties of LDC's/UDC's are different than Peons/Mazdoors / S'Wala. And the Post of LDCs onwards they are getting posting/transfer within 3 years in MES.
I refer to your knowledge that in Kendriya Vidyalaya Sangathan, lot of vacancies of UDC & LDC are lying vacant since last many years and there is no any provisions of contractual appointments against vacancies. More over work load is much higher than the other govt. depts. But the salary is at par with the other govt. depts. Generally only one employee is doing all work of the vidyalaya and nobody bothers the same.